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Thanks, Bob. I appreciate much about both perspectives and don't quite align with either perfectly. They're both great writers, so I'm a bit out of my league. I hope you'll find the series interesting anyway!

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John Mark Comer is the latest version of Richard Foster and Dallas Willard. Many low church authors talk about Spiritual disciplines and rules of life. I like Brad's offer of freedom and rest by taking part in the ancient church as he lays out in his last two books. The ancient church as an apparatus for the forgiveness of sins for folks like me and the Kichijiros of the world. I like his premise of salvation is something you enter into with a community that has the practices already in place mainly Eastern Orthodoxy. Virtue at least for me is very hard to develop with out a church community like the Catholic Worker movement and groups like it. The Catholic Church is a different story in reducing the fasting requirements of Advent and Lent. As a side note, I'm surprised Brad is still part of the low church world of Evangelicalism/C of C. I don't know how he lives with the dissidence.

Richard's point is good that you have to have a minimal level to engage mentality with the liturgy. Now you have to be intentional to pick and preserve in any church in the modern world. It seems in my experience that in Evangelicalism is so hard to be virtuous alone and it's the only thing that is mostly expressed from books and the pulpit. it's the perfect place to be if you want to pick yourselves up by your boot straps or that God helps those who help themselves. I have most of Richard's books but a lot of times he is very strong on the human volition and the ability of us to do the works of God. All though the bible has a high volitionality. .

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